According to Step 3, it is like opening a door, however is going in another way other than Yeshua (Joh 10:7), as a person submits to a higher power. Romans 7:18. Creation of C.R. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak." We've been talking the last seven weeks about coming out of the dark, exposing our problems to the light of God's love, and . Being a light, means exposing the darkness, not partaking in it, otherwise that light itself would become dark: Luke 11:33No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light. Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? My grandfather passed before I was born, so while I did not know him, I was told he was an alcoholic and was involved in AA. This program is being run at my home church and I love the church (Biblical teaching) and dont want it to feel awkward. Once we have knowledge of the truth, then we are held accountable to that truth. 314-267-4456. Category: Group Celebrate Recovery. With maturity comes discernment, and with discernment comes an understanding that just because something may have been beneficial, or helpful, does not mean that it is sanctioned by God. 20 years ago, Saddleback Church launched Celebrate Recovery with 43 people. It is a bafflement that many professing believers would condone and endorse such a program knowing the full thoughts, intentions, and beliefs of AA and its origins. And theres many avenues to recover. So if I forgive God, then that makes Him limited and also makes mistakes? To Christ I conceded the certainty of a great man, not too closely followed by those who claimed Him. Pastor John was never content just to save souls. Step Two is a rallying point to sanity. The topical groups vary by site, and some. Just as those in Acts burned their magic arts, so should the Alateen/Alanon and AA books be destroyed. apearlinthevineyard.com, 2018. In fact, there are many programs and practices that may appear to be beneficial to the mind and body, yet when we test those practices against the word of God, they are proven to be false. This is a process of maturity and growth in the Lord. It reminds me of a favorite passage of mine: Hebrews 11:25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; 26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. AA is a religion. Sign up for our newsletter: The Participant Guides are designed to create movement through the steps as each person is on a healing journey that creates new understanding and hope through the work of the Holy Spirit, and not . Celebrate Recovery is a biblical and balanced program that helps us overcome our hurts, hang-ups, and habits. Jesus said He came to bring a sword, not peace (Mat 10:34), this means that truth will divide, and the outcome may not be peaceful because of offense. This program is not something that you complete and then all of sudden, Hey, Im better. With the introduction of The Landing-God's vision for Celebrate Recovery is now complete!" -John Baker "The Landing provides a safe place for students to share about their hurts, hang-ups, and habits and learn to apply the Principles of Celebrate Recovery to help them break the cycle of dysfunction in their families." - Johnny Baker Celebrate Recovery Bible by Zondervan Staff (2007, Hardcover) (4) $9.99. Embarrassed to receive recognition and praise, or gifts. 10h 30m. Meeting Time: Tuesday 7:00 PM. Believing you are finally cured of your addiction. We have also been to Indonesia twice . I dont doubt that God is using those willing, to draw people away from this into the truth. Recovery signals a dramatic shift in the expectation for positive outcomes for individuals who experience mental and substance use conditions or the co-occurring of the two. I admit that I am powerless to control my tendency to do the wrong thing, and my life is unmanageable. Praise God for that revelation to you. How should a Christian view alcoholics? It was not until a few years ago that I really started to know the truth about AA, as well as other recovery groups with a foundation in AA, that even profess to be Christian alternatives. Isnt God sovereign? When I was very young in my faith and had little discernment into things and practices I was doing, I had gone to get a different kind of massage called a chakra massage. The last thing I want to do is delve deeper into my issues/motivations/whatever. One of my last few meetings, the Spirit had come upon me so strong during my 5 minutes(we were only ever allowed to speak for 5 minutes) of talking that I exposed and rebuked the lie of Alcoholism being a disease, confronting it as the sin of drunkenness, that the saying once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic is a lie from the pit of hell, and that the the blood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ can set us free from all bondage, and that His Word says that we no longer need to be identified with our sin, once it has been repented and been crucified with Christ. Thirty years ago John Baker turned the ruins of his life over to Jesus Christ and God transformed him from a driven businessman with an addiction to alcohol, a failing marriage, and alienated children to a Christ-follower with a passion to help others with their hurts, habits, and hang-ups through the principles of recovery, wrote Kay Warren, cofounder of Saddleback Church and a mental health advocate. From my experience and understanding, the reason why many people have a difficult time coming away from these programs/doctrines is because there is a spiritual bond(stronghold) that has taken place and it must be broken. Just as I am whereever I am. Judge everything you think, say, or do harshly, as never "good enough." Are a perfectionist. This very much includes programs like AA/CR which do not have a grounding in the Bible at all. Since 2005 we have been to India five times to conduct pastors' conferences and to visit the orphanage we support in Machilipatnam. St Boniface Church-Franciscans. nph: to be sober, to abstain from wine. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. Celebrate Recovery. During the times of Yeshua and the disciples, there was no need of recovery groups or reliance on a 12 step program, when they had the Word of God, and His Spirit. AA was birthed out of what was known as the Oxford Group in the 1930s. Even if you do not believe God or His Word, consider this from the view of simple logic: how can a behavioral choice be a disease? About a year later, I was led to sponsor a woman, who was coming out of drug addiction. Once I was done with 6-7 weeks of rehab, I went back to my base in Italy, and continued on with a program through the military. 4. This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. However, we are commanded within the Scriptures to Hold fast to sound doctrine(2 Tim 1:13) and Test all things, holding on to what is good(1 Thes 5:21). See more ideas about celebrate recovery, recovery, recovery quotes. Contemplative prayer, and other eastern meditation practices were, and are still very much part of AA. While also providing a witness and a rebuke to the women leaders or the womens group, as it was preaching different gospel, and a different Jesus/Yeshua. Baker is survived by his wife and Celebrate Recovery cofounder, Cheryl; children Johnny and Jeni Baker and Laura and Brian Gibney; and their grandchildren. Perhaps, in learning these truths, God might want you to share this with others; and yes, while you are correct, it might, and probably will offend. Here are ten common situations that are very dangerous to a person in recovery. We must be a willing vessel to share the truth with others, even at the cost of suffering, for if we dont, then we are not picking up our cross. Quoting from my blog: Many seem to believe that as long as something appears good, and that someone is helped that it must be of God, when this is simply not true; while He can draw His own creation to Him, in whatever circumstance they are in, this does not mean that it is His perfect will for them to continue on in what they are doing or involved in. Jim, thank you for your comment. AA is just another false religion, trying to go in another way: We have no desire to convince anyone that there is only one way by which faith can be acquired(Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book, pg. What does the Bible say about drunkards? The only way for that to happen is through repentance of these programs/doctrines. BE SOBER-MINDED. We admitted we were powerless over alcoholthat our lives had become unmanageable.Who cares to admit complete defeat? He wanted a specifically Christian addiction recovery group, so with the support of Rick Warren, Celebrate Recovery began as a ministry of Saddleback Church under Bakers leadership in 1990. However, I have a slightly different view. A new state of consciousness and being is received as a free gift. Action its keyword. 3. We are all broken and in need of a Saviour; my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,. So, I hope that in sharing the truth with people within AA, you are not identifying with this. Recognizing these dangers will help you avoid a possible problem in the future. (Pgs 8-9). We are called to be in the world, but not of the world. He instead, as is mentioned in the Big Book(pgs 12-13), made his own god, professed this god to be the Father of Lights and was led by this god-consciousness from within, and insisted that all he had to do was believe in a power higher than himself, and nothing else was required. Please check directly with each church to find out if they are running during Covid-19. It was then that woman after woman, that spoke after me, praised only the program. A. The ouija board got moving in earnest. Is Celebrate Recovery a biblically sound program? Baker, Celebrate Recovery Leader's Guide, 12). Sam, thank you for commenting. The program seems to tip-toe around sin and evil instead of calling it out as such. Ebony, thank you for taking the time to share that with me. Many coming into AA are ready for a change in life spiritually; its a great harvest ground. (Acts 17:30) At such time we can no longer claim ignorance and will be held accountable to such. Misuse of willpower. Jesus must be rescued from a pedestrian and parochial orthodoxy that demands he monopolize the deity.. To produce good fruit, a practice or program has to be sound in the word of God. Go and see for yourself. Are extremely loyal, remaining in harmful situations too long. As the story goes, Warren replied, Great, Johngo do it! and the program soon launched at Saddleback. Amen brother, you are correct, we cannot be unequally yoked with unbelievers, or mixing light with darkness(2 Cor 6:14). Also, by their fruits you shall know people. (KJV), Leviticus 20:6And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people. No person has the same journey and everyone has something to recover from. Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? Celebrate Recoverys 12-steps, are AAs 12-steps, but with a biblical comparison to each one. At Southside Baptist Church, the purpose of our Celebrate Recovery program is to both fellowship and celebrate God's healing power in our lives through 12 Steps and 8 Recovery Principles. Those who profess to be a believer in Jesus/Yeshua should repent of any and all involvement, and get rid of any material associated, to include: books, chips, manuals, etc. I believe that God has put me there for some reason so Im waiting on Him right now. While there are many godly and well-meaning people involved at the local Celebrate Recovery, the message has been twisted. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Our staff is up-to-date and knowledgeable, and we are standing by to help you on your road to recovery. So before I continue on with my story, I would like to go through some areas of AA. However, I knew what Yah had spoke to me, and He said that I shall be the first to speak. 20:2). for the living to the dead?(KJV). Within AA, the introduction is similar in the person identifies as their addiction, My Name is, and I am a drug addict/alcoholic. I was also told that alcoholism is a disease, and that once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. Needless to say, CR has had a major influence on the church. Two members of that group William(Bill) Wilson, and Dr. Bob Smith came together in 1935 to officially start what is known as AA. After the meeting was over, all the women left, did not say anything to me, just turned their backs and left. Turning our will over to Higher Power. Thank you for your obedience. Celebrate Recovery meetings rarely focus on the fact that continuing to drink can result in death. It is for people with hurts, habits and hangups they simply cannot overcome in their own strength. Some Celebrate Recovery groups offer childcare: "Celebration Place" for kids and "The Landing" for youth. For those who would like more resources here are some links: http://www.anti-antichrist.com/soap/lanagan.html, http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/aaroots.html, https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/ (Search for AA). A perpetual drunkard, is being in perpetual sin, and those who do so, do not inherit the Kingdom. It's your choice. There is a good, acceptable and perfect will of God. All rights reserved. Philippians 2:13. I choose to stand on the word regardless who believes or not. 2 Corinthians 6:14-16 As a result, people often walk out of worship services with their lives unchanged. Why do we need 12 steps when the only step our Saviour has told us to do is repent and turn away from sin/evil. The Celebrate Recovery Step Studies use the 12 Steps with their biblical comparisons and the eight principles that are based on the Beatitudes. Once you know better, you do better. About Of Dangers Recovery Celebrate Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. Celebrate Recovery is a substance abuse recovery program based primarily on biblical teachings and the words and loving power of Jesus Christ. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. While I understand that you may feel comfortable at your current church, perhaps the Lord is encouraging you to take a step forward in faith and maturity and be out of your comfort zone. I was rejected by all those whom I shared the truth within CR that day, and I understood that would happen, because of what the Father had sent me to do. I did not continue on with AA, and I am thankful for that. Celebrate Recovery is a Christ-centered 12-step program designed for all "hurts, hangups, and habits," including those caused by emotional, mental, and spiritual dysfunction.As one of the seven largest addiction recovery support programs, Celebrate Recovery is designed to be a confidential place where attendees can work through their "stuff" in a safe and God-honoring place. Many alcoholic/addicts are not ready for solid food 1Cor3:2, Heb5:14. I hope you consider and pray on the things I have brought up, and really examine this program to see if it truly aligns with the word of God. See ya, Baker said. Dr. Clint Archer is a pastor of many years whose international ministry has taken him to 22 different countries so far. Relation of humility to sobriety. So much in Christianity today is not based on Christ's teachings as much as it's based upon the ideas and theories of mankind. As above, I will be going through steps 1-3, and 12, and directly quoted from CR website: 1 ) We admitted we were powerless over our addictions and compulsive behaviors, that our lives had become unmanageable. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. There were many practices/beliefs that I was led to not partake in. While growing up, I was familiar with the term AA and Alanon, as my grandfather was an alcoholic, as well as other family members. I love hearing peoples stories and the work God has done through the cross and his saving grace in others lives. A person can not only be intoxicated physically, but also spiritually: Isa 29:9Pause and wonder! Negative and positive thinking. Roadblocks of indifference and prejudice. Admission of powerlessness is the first step in liberation. We cannot trust our experiences and how we feel as a sole measure of something to be good. Importance of an open mind. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Lost faith found in A.A. A person could choose Buddha, Allah, Shati, Satan, as well as AA itself. When he hit his bottom, he began attending daily AA meetings, working through the steps, and finding hope in a God who loved him unconditionally. A Believer cannot be equally yoked with unbelievers. Yes, God can and does help people through the church and power of the Holy Spirit with repentance. We believe in spreading the gospel throughout the whole world. For some, this repentance is quickly and some it is slowly as God meets us with our willingness at whatever point we are in life. AA/NA holds people in bondage, making them think they are free. Variety of ways to faith. 2 Cor 11:13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. The lead woman was not there, and Yah instructed me where I needed to sit. Your email address will not be published. Celebrate Recovery founder John Baker, who turned his testimony recovering from alcoholism into a biblical 12-step program used by more than 7 million people, died unexpectedly on Tuesday at age 72. Hi Kellie, I know it would offend the people in the program if I were to discount or question it or say my discomfort. Celebrate Recovery is simply AA but with a disguise of a false light, a false gospel and a false Jesus. I also, have experienced Gods grace and mercy through the Holy Spirit through some churches I have encountered that was amazing. Modesty of the HeartWhere is your Treasure? Love that has no price tag. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. Next, I moved on to being baptized, which both my husband and I were able to actually do for her. I did not understand that this was a New Age practice, which was to focus on specific auras coming from different points of my body. As they had all turned their backs on Yeshua/Jesus and His Word, they then had no problem turning their back on me. Thanks for sharing brother. From that point forward, I was actually prohibited from bringing or reading my Bible in the group. Romans 12:1. 7Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD(YHWH) your God. The atmosphere had changed, and I could sense the Spirit strong with me, and guided my every step. Yes, you are correct in that we should never simply believe anyones word at something, and I am not offended if you do not believe my testimony. This is an excerpt from one of my blogs The Deception of the New Age Awakening through DNA, The New Age movement is not a conspiracy but an eclectic configuration of spiritual seekers who have despaired of finding personal and cosmic satisfaction in either religious orthodoxies or secular materialism. I see it as a ripe mission field to share my testimony and experience; to share the Word of God and what Jesus Christ has done for me. I know, for me, it wasn't hard to recite the 12 steps in solidarity at a . There is nothing greater than the blood of the Lamb, the true Creator of the Heavens of the earth, and the King of Kings Lord of Lords, Yeshua. What partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. My faith was empowered, as I knew it was my time to speak His Words. There are many who have either themselves or known someone to have gone through AA, NA, Alanon, etc. We believe that this program targets the one thing that we all have in commonwe're all messed up in one way or another. God is good, all the time. Romantic relationships can be a great source of happiness in sobriety, but they can also be the source of great pain. At Saddleback, it became the top outreach ministry, with 70 percent of participants coming from outside the church. Action its keyword. I understand that people, even those like myself, have been helped through these programs, however, the ultimate purpose of these programs are to lead people to dependency on the program itself, which is why in the 12th step of the AA program it teaches to: 12) Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Joy of living is the theme of the Twelfth Step.

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